My barb's name is Maximus (still amazed my wife let me name my son that. Nice videos. So overall you would do less dmg over time ( WP 106x4 = 424 , GP 86x6=516 ).

You could make the same argument about the summoner necro. I always heard eBotD war pike was the more popular one with the average player, Well, average player is not going to exploit the first two free hitchecks ww offers like AtomicPunk is doing, thats for sure. But for ww GP looks way better. Lets see him clear a mf run as fast as a Sorceress with same or even cheaper equipment. In fact, my barbarian build straight out of nightmare can solo hell in an 8 player game, including on ladder. Did you manage to hit the 109% IAS BP for Ogre Mauls? But, are you going to demonstrate to us? I am wondering why do you prefer BotD Thunder Maul over BotD Great Poleaxe. On the other hand GP offers 86 average dmg and 6 attacks per second. ALWAYS love a good Mat/Pat/Guardian thread, no matter the build. 50% undead bonus. Be honest in your answer; I won't be offended if you find posts like this boring. All good stuff for people to learn from! Discreet Notifications Diablo 2 Resurrected Hammer List of each Unique and Set Hammer Item. Click/Tap to view other Class Guides below. Upgrading it to exceptional might be worth it though. This is because you keep spinning close to the target, not zig-zagging in long lines back-and-forth. Do you generally enjoy Mat/Pat threads, even if they're of fairly cookie-cutter builds? Or more specifically the ww barb. On the other hand GP offers 86 average dmg and 6 attacks per second. This item can now be ethereal due to the Indestructible affix being removed. (was [231-308] to [318-424], Avg 274.5-366), Two-Hand Damage: [106-144] to [162-220], Avg 134-182 (was [95-133] to [145-203], Avg 120-168), One-Hand Damage: ? WP has propably some uses, maybe for amazon with jab//fend? It is considered a club, so can now get Druid pointmods like other clubs. Learn more at. if you can up a bonesnap, you can buy an ik maul -__-. We updated our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy pages. (was 17 to 61, Avg 39), One-Hand Damage: ? Post it, live the dream, hope the ed% on yours is high as your half way in, but in for a penny, in for a pie. Duration (Normal), 5% Chance To Cast Level 7 Fissure On Striking, 5% Chance To Cast Level 1 Iron Maiden When Struck, 5% Chance To Cast Level 1 Amplify Damage On Striking, + (2 Per Character Level) 2-198 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level), 20% Chance To Cast Level 10 Static Field On Striking, + (8 Per Character Level) 8-792 To Attack Rating (Based On Character Level), 33% Chance To Cast Level 22 Twister On Striking, 25% Chance To Cast Level 14 Fissure On Striking, 4% Chance To Cast Level 1 Amplify Damage On Striking, Game content and materials are trademarks and copyrights of their respective companies, publisher and its licensors. Any weapon with the 50% undead damage bonus appears as 150%.

I know strength buffs damage, but I dont understand the multiplier part.

Even with 2x 30% ED jewels factored in I get 91.5 x 3.6 = 329, a little bit lower than the Steeldriver (356). Permabans Account Thuder maul is 250 str, so 125 str. I think WP is used instead of TM in PvP for the extra range and no need for the undead damage. items or runewords does not. (was [119-132] to [540-612], Avg 329.5-372). Quality level: 39 In addition to the changes listed here, all melee weapons also gain Melee Attacks Deal Splash Damage. Giant Thresher is the sexiest of the 3, TM is much sexier than GP in my opinion, Both of them looks in hands of barbarian very good. As far as i know, TM offers 106 average damage and 4 attacks per second in ww. The detail is amazing. Which is AMAZING to have. But do tell other things to consider. You must log in or register to reply here. bonesnap is alot slower then a steeldriver. Durability: 60 For whirlwind purpose, you will get more average dmg per hit with WP, true ( WP 106 vs GP 86 ), but less attacks per second ( WP 4 vs GP 6 ). NB These are the perfect values possible for a level 99 character. Also, a WW barb is one of those builds that you dont have to worry about immunities at all (or very little). For majority players is eBotD GP best solution, but with dedication and enough training eBotD DM is better. Keep doing this in a triangular pattern. Thats another very interesting numbers game. The narrative is usually derived from websites and build guides too often discussing builds from 2004/5 and or saying that Engima and Grief is the only way, when its just not true, whirlwind barb is powerful even with junk gear. Base speed: 20 Show us video, do you understand what people say when they say WW barb is bad without highend gear (which is right)? damage of the eth OM is 137.25, x 5 hits.

Whirlwind is just as powerful as every other character with cheap gear. Last updated 1 month ago on May 31, 2022 by RankedBoost, Adds 127-364 Cold Damage, 6 sec. As choppy as the game was you can see that whirlwinding the way I do is of great easy and relaxed. If that is the case then go for it. Page link: https://www.diablo-2.net/uniques/item-info?item=Steeldriver, About me | API | Contact Me | Old Website | Privacy Policy, All rights reserved Diablo-2.net | 2009-2022, This is an unofficial non-profit fansite and is not affiliated with Blizzard. Congrats. My question is - 1) is it worth the runes, and 2) what will the new Str and lvl requirements be? damage of the eth OM is 137.25, x 5 hits gives 686.25 avg. By continuing to use our site, you accept our use of cookies. Yet I consistently clear Chaos faster with the eth TM that provides 158.25, x 4 hits giving 639.00 avg. Click/Tap to view other Accessories Guides below. I capitalize on the 50% undead bonus. That is, you get 10% more damage for each point you have in STR with the thunder maul than you would get with the other gear. (was [64-74] to [107-125], Avg 85.5-99.5), One-Hand Damage: ? While I can demonstrate all day showing that Whirlwind is the most powerful attack skill, its a logical fallacy to say its only good with godly gear, which is usually perpetuated by players that have never dove deep into building the character. They are purely for reference and cannot be posted in.

If they had hit amps target or hit decrepifies target or hit life taps target, it would be way over powered. Add in LoH, GFace and Gore Riders ans SoE all found in NM.

Please keep 'em coming! WW barbs even on budget seem to have one of the most complete kits in the game. Yes, I can use gear that gives me all the dexterity I need, but Id rather use gear such as rings and charms that add multiple ways to damage instead. If one keeps their WWs short for example, the damage on the WP will win. Observation: If the GP is the better choice, then the Ogre Maul, too, is a better choice than the TM. Stop being so condescending and assuming youre better than others. Excellent write-up! Level up as you post Attach Images So the question is - upped ribcracker or bonehew for a rabid fury ww ? It may not display this or other websites correctly. They are such a big resource of inspiration and knowledge. Deletes Signature And +1 to mat/pat threads !! (was [115-132] to [630-720], Avg 372.5-426), Two-Hand Damage: ? I'm another +1 to enjoying these write-ups. The free hits are taken and almost immediately after it, the Whirlwind stops. Or are you saying because the eBotD TM requires 196 strength to wield, where the eBotD WP only needs 135, the difference between the two will favour the maul in damage?

clear speed is a bad comparison tool u know? Well I searched and found that it can be upped to an elite thundermaul that takes 127 strength . Private Messaging I am wondering why do you prefer BotD Thunder Maul over BotD Great Poleaxe. Despite a character in the game called MyEnchantress, he isnt enchanted and I show that at the end. I come up with the same Steeldriver damage number as you (106.5 x 3.35 = 356), but your IK Maul damage looks too high. You lose Trang's CBF, but Ravenfrost always lingers as an easy-out there (in spite of the corpse shattering potential). For a Lum Rune and a Pul Rune I am sure you could trade for a much better weapon. 5% Chance to Cast Level 6 Meteor on Striking, 5% Chance to Cast Level 8 Nova on Striking, 5% Chance to Cast Level 7 Fissure on Striking, 5% Chance to Cast Level 1 Amplify Damage on Striking, 20% Chance to Cast Level 15 Tornado on Striking, 20% Chance to Cast Level 18 Tornado on Striking, 15% Chance to Cast Level 10 Static Field on Striking, 20% Chance to Cast Level 10 Static Field on Striking, 25% Chance to Cast Level 14 Fissure on Striking, 4% Chance to Cast Level 1 Amplify Damage on Striking. The smaller ranger of the TM better suits my WW techniques. Avatar & Profile customisation It can also be imbued, turned into a magic item to craft with, or used as a runeword base like other regular items. So I'm playing a Fury druid, and I have an alright exceptional Steeldriver, and just got the runes to increase it to Elite. Dont name and shame either.

Create account. Though, the necro toolkit; due to curses, is far more varied than the barb. This particular kit provides 16K max damage per hit, 50% CB, 66% Critical strike, and 32% Deadly Strike. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. While I can demonstrate all day showing that Whirlwind is the most powerful attack skill, its a logical fallacy to say its only good with godly gear, which is usually perpetuated by players that have never dove deep into building the character. It will turn into what, a thunder maul? damage per so called second. The thing is if you have nothing else then ya for pvm it should be decent but there are so many better (faster) weapons. Well I found a Ribcracker and Im now considering this as well until I find something better . Any weapon with the 50% undead damage bonus appears as 150%. I just don't know the equation, what is the change when you up something? What some folks dont seem to understand, because theyve never done it nor seen it done, when it comes to endgame (96-99) Enigma/eBotD ww barbarian is king with well over 100k damage which makes boss kills bullet fast. Anyone know the damage it will have as the thundermaul version ? I just don't want to waste anyone's time if that's the case! Give and Receive Likes I cant stress enough, I dont even like this build, the playstyle doesnt suit me. Imagine having them with angelic blue-green color of Atlantean, avg. I would rather buff my strength or vitality, with the required stat points. What is this weak whataboutism? JavaScript is disabled. Then the thunder maul is one of the highest damage weapons. NOT to be used for trading adverts or offers! He runs slow because Ive not put any points on Increase Stamina and Run/Walk Speed. It would be interesting if devs could say how it really is. Can you explain what you mean by strength multiplier? I'm still working my way through a lot of the basic D2 builds but I enjoy sharing my thoughts and experiences, in the hope that they're valuable or at least enjoyable to others. Deletes all Profile Fields I personally like an upped Bonesnap better, but upped Steeldriver is my second favorite. Fun/variation? Ive arrived in hell hundreds of times with just an upped Bonesnap or Steeldriver, Lore helm and Smoke armour and made my way to Baal with this set up. (was [33-39] to [91-105], Avg 62-72), One-Hand Damage: ? Safety? OM has the exact attack speed like TM : so no 5 hits, just 4. See The Arreat Summit: http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/barbarian-combatskills.shtml#whirlwind In an 8 player game I instat kill almost everything.

Deletes all Posts Here is a demonstration. But for ww GP looks way better. Do you think that would be a better choice for berserk? I never heard of that hidden bonus. (was [10-12] to [272-320], Avg 141-166), One-Hand Damage: [190-210] to [231-256], Avg 210.5-233, One-Hand Damage: ? RankedBoost is not affiliated with the game companies, publisher and its licensors. Regarding the IAS, 2x upped Steeldriver = Thunder Maul (base speed = 20) and IK Maul = Ogre Maul (base speed = 10). Use the main. (was [159-212] to [234-312], Avg 196.5-262), Two-Hand Damage: ? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Finally, who even mentioned Summoners? (potentially there is an additional hidden 100%). This might be the best weapon in the game for a Mauler to zoom through Nightmare difficulty. Here is another video of my clvl 37 whirlwind barbarian on bnet. https://diablo2.io/post1048.html?sid=c3d5e58c96d6b1d94d478b61c2fe6e78#p1048, https://diablo2.io/post111976.html?sid=c3d5e58c96d6b1d94d478b61c2fe6e78#p111976, https://diablo2.io/post1023973.html?sid=c3d5e58c96d6b1d94d478b61c2fe6e78#p1023973, Ad revenue helps keep the servers going and supports me, the site's creator :), making their offers on your trades invisible. Barbarians wielding weapons with slow Whirlwind speeds should try and keep their whirls very short, so as to take full advantage of the 4th and 8th frame "free" hits. (was [54-60] to [83-92], Avg 68.5-76), One-Hand Damage: ? I even did the same thing w/ naming him after my son lol. Its just something that shows up on GoMule. Do the math! https://wiki.projectdiablo2.com/w/index.php?title=Maces&oldid=14522, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0), 5% Chance to Cast Level 1 Iron Maiden when Struck, +[2-198] to Maximum Damage (+2 per Character Level), +[8-792] to Attack Rating (+8 per Character Level), 33% Chance to Cast Level 22 Twister on Striking. One-Hand Damage: [5-6] to [18-20], Avg 11.5-13 (was 4 to [15-16], Avg 9.5-10), One-Hand Damage: 2 to [66-78], Avg 34-40 (was 2 to [56-58], Avg 29-30), One-Hand Damage: [44-55] to [64-80], Avg 54-67.5 (was [38-47] to [58-72], Avg 48-59.5), Two-Hand Damage: [90-120] to [129-172], Avg 109.5-146, Two-Hand Damage: ? Thats gonna be a matter of playstyle then. Anyone know the damage it will have as the thundermaul version ? Thats looks exhausting But if you somehow manage to do that, you got my respect! As the name implies, its a factor by which your damage is multiplied by your STR stat. I see so many crazy builds by wealthier players these days that mine feel pretty bland. Vanity: though Giant Thresher is the sexiest of the 3, TM is much sexier than GP in my opinion. WP has propably some uses, maybe for amazon with jab//fend? That's almost a hundred extra points to put toward Vita (Assuming no other high str equipment) if you want to get more life that way rather than more points in BO. How is it supposed to prove WW barbs are not weak? As far as i know, TM offers 106 average damage and 4 attacks per second in ww. Go for it! take full advantage of the 4th and 8th frame free hits. Cringe. Cookies help us deliver our services.

My understanding is that all of that elemental damage doesnt work with berserk mods, but with a shael + dmg jewel it would probably still be better, right? 2H damage: 95-203 They mean compared to hammerdin or sorc, the time it takes him to clear an area for instance (among others) shows him at great disadvantage. With my mouse adjusted for optimum whirling, and what little effort it takes to move the mouse to whirl, it really isnt that bad. But its insane to me that anyone would think its not a strong build. This is actually really similar to the style of character i'm currently running (level 67 atm). I'd say upgrading twice is probably worth it. I think you should just trade for a Windhammer or Cranium Basher. But you can see how awesome his killing power is with the way I whirl. Hes in a 6 player game soloing Chaos with 100% self found gear. archives as requested by the community. Me good me smart me right, people bad people stupid people wrong. So overall you would do less dmg over time ( WP 106x4 = 424 , GP 86x6=516 ). Subjective, all more reasons to balance things out. You can view Stats, Magic Properties, and more below. damage per so called second. I found 12 FPA was plenty fast when hitting hard enough with this build. Slain Bots Rest in Peace, List trades and earn trust Nice write up.

I honestly dont know how it works. They mean compared to hammerdin or sorc, the time it takes him to clear an area for instance (among others) shows him at great disadvantage. I dont feel that steeldriver is worth upping to elite and using with a sheal. I mean, doing three whirls in one second? Last but not least: If by some miracle you're still reading, I wanted to ask the community: Do you generally enjoy Mat/Pat threads, even if they're of fairly cookie-cutter builds? Diablo 2 Resurrected (Diablo 2 Remastered) is the remastered version of Diablo II and its expansion, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction. Thats 162K per whirlwind and doesnt include my Deadly/Critical Strikes. I think the biggest trap is to rely too much in the damage calculation and theorycrafting and disregard your actual execution and playstyle, the time it takes you to kill things (which if it is too fast, it can completely invalidate the advantage of longer term dps gain), etc. Lvl req should be tm req. Registering is quick & easy :) Press J to jump to the feed. I wouldn't, personally, check for yourself. (was [9-11] to [264-304], Avg 136.5-157.5), One-Hand Damage: ? My Mfer can now solo Nm Baals so hopefully I'll find something good soon .. Iv'e been enjoying the ribcracker quite a bit but tonight I found a 314 % Ed bonehew .

Treasure class: 33 Unfortunately the grey color that comes to eth. Bonus points if there are thoughts on gameplay, special/unusual gear, or just random musings. (was [152-170] to [257-287], Avg 204.5-228.5), Durability: 120 (was Indestructible, Martel de Fer was 60). These are the community's Diablo 2 archive forums going back two decades. We may use cookies to personalize content, ads, and analyze our site traffic. For whirlwind purpose, you will get more average dmg per hit with WP, true ( WP 106 vs GP 86 ), but less attacks per second ( WP 4 vs GP 6 ). Think about it, arriving in hell with max resistances, max BO, max WW, and max Weapon Mastery, and 40% cb, the character in virtually unstoppable from act 1 to 4. (was 98 to 162, Avg 130), Two-Hand Damage: ? Great post! These forum archives have been curated by the community bringing two decades of Diablo 2 knowledge to new players. This tactic is used by many Barbarians online and is nicknamed "The Dance of Death". But maybe you are right - sometimes the best way is not the popular way, how to do things . I always thought it is not a real thing. Click/Tap to view other Armor Guides below. Also, if you decide you need more fire/light res, IK belt is fantastic for not only that but it also helps boost your strength, FHR, and maul elemental damage.

Durability: 420 Req level: 29 But my sorcs merc could use this too as he has a piece of crap weapon . Remove ads & support the site - Get PurePremium. Deletes all Private Messages Bookmark Pages & Posts Huge congrats to Maxroll and Riv for making the first full-featured D2/D2R planner for our beloved game. Req Strength: 50 In your very post here your suggested equipment, with less than that and less effort a Sorceress would be considerably more viable. NOt usre of the damage once a thunder maul but it would likely be pretty high.

With the thunder maul, AFAIK that multiplier is 1.1 and with the other alternatives its 1.0. (was [100-115] to [124-338], Avg 112-226.5), Durability: 130 (was Indestructible, Legendary Mallet was 65), Two-Hand Damage: ? It just looks like a better tradeoff. Users browsing Uniques: Alregard, bo0bo0bambam, NZANE, Putin and 23 guests. I believe you are in mistake here. Its easier to do with the barbarian than pretty much any other character. The final consideration is the stat cost: IK Maul requires 225 Str whereas 2x upped Steeldriver requires 127. As for safety, its incredibly tanky. But it would be if it is all you really have. Ive only built a WW barb once, its not the type of character I like to play, and I didnt have anything that isnt reasonable to obtain, but it was comfortably blasting through hell, in fact, much better than a budget hammerdin. Two-Hand Damage: ? Have in mind please that when upping, the base item calculation is different, so the values for Defense you will get in-game are actually lower than what you see here. Strength multiplier of thunder maul is bigger, so bigger damage overall. But doing that for, lets say, one hour constantly? Don't apologize!

You can up it to a, You must be a member of diablo2.io to like this. I remember the top end is 331 dmg, so i think that comes out to 235% ED. Evne with a sheal it is fairly slow. (was [42-47] to [67-74], Avg 54.5-60.5), One-Hand Damage: ? At clvl 96 only boss kills give acceptable experience. I just don't want to waste anyone's time if that's the case! (was [89-105] to [162-191], Avg 125.5-148), One-Hand Damage: ? Especially because of the str multiplier and lack of dex requirement. The only death while questing occurred when fighting Amp Witches + Frenzytaurs in the Hell Infernal Pit.

With Enigma and BotD Thunder Maul I can clear Chaos, Nihl and Throne Baal faster than any other character class, regardless of player count in game. Head over to the Planner now - https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/, Check out the new "All uniques item page" where you can sort and search unique items by magic properties, Steeldriver Great Maul is an normal unique item with level requirement of 29 and Quality Level of 39.