I personally think that Wing Tzun would do great in competition, but I think we need about 5 years of internal competition to clean house, and to get everyone up to snuff. Here is a thread from the r/wingchun which pertains to exactly this. He took some sort of stance and I said, "fuck it" and put up my hands. Very convenient. Control the elbow and push to point their center away and keep you safe. His Wing Chun isnt bad.
I stood up to walk away. I've used what little training I have in it in sparring with friends and in defending myself in a few situations. Learned from Pak Sao exercises. It was impressive, but I doubted the actual power of his strikes. All three times the wing chun person came out ahead - by escalating first and chain punching. That's most of the stuff that's worked for me in sparring/competition. At this point I decided to just ignore him. They do ok. Apparently the host said that he was constantly trying to show off his martial arts to other people and picking fights. He rocked back and I shot in to take him down. His face went deep red and he finally tapped. I put him in a rear naked while saying in his ear, "Tap out when it's too much." For what it's worth, I've known three people who've used it in street settings - in 2 pubs vs drunk guys, and in 1 public toilet in a park vs a pervert with a dick in his hand. What I think would fix the entire problem is a knock down style competition league. Doing little demos where he "chains" his punches (?) So when most dudes say, that isnt proper Wing Chun, they are correct, by their standards. I'm there to be his sparring buddy (I have about 30 pounds on him, so I give him a workout but he still always kicks my ass). I'm not particularly experienced. Never the less, you have to start somewhere. There is a punch in Wing Chun (called it the "capping punch" where I trained) that deflects your opponents punch at the same time you're punching. I've always liked the way it looks - but would like to hear users stories. Instead, the top voted post is about how some MMA guy owned a tool bag who probably took a couple dozen lessons in WC and went around bragging about it. They start going on about the differences and this guy starts giving my buddy some shit. And of course, they all cross train. ", "That shit is more sport than real fighting.". = awkward youtube moments. All evidence of WC in live scenarios that I've seen tends to look like sloppy MMA, but the standard response is usually a textbook No True Scotsman argument. He then took notice of me sitting and enjoying my drink. Where do you train may I ask? Alex had only a few years in TKD. He was saying something about getting the first hit while blocking my way, walking backwards to block the door between the two rooms. Like 90%. Re: No True Scottsman: As Ip Man taught it, it was a pretty loose discipline and so each of his student's lineages looks different. Now, I don't want to go so far as to say that WC is useless, but it does seem like a lot of the concepts (squared stance, rooted, etc.) Me: "No thanks man. But there are some interesting aspects to Wing Chun that can prove useful. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, BJJ, Submission Wrestling, MMA, Wing Chun, Jujutsu, BJJ (No gi) | Wrestling | MMA | Muay Thai | Boxing | Escrima. I'm hoping to hear tales of how effective it was. And yet, every class in the 90% has an expert at Wing Chun who probably thinks he fights pretty good, despite having never done it. I believe he learned the kick in Hsing I. At this point I decided to move to a different room. I guess he took that as a sign that I was going to fight because he started to move his hands in a really strange way around my arm and struck me in the shoulder a few times. I'm no expert, I could be wrong about this. I wasn't sure if this meant he was going 30%. You can also use that to push them into the corner. I'm sure you'd kick my ass. I agree. Great words of wisdom. I was right, his strikes have no power". Edit 2: Here's a faith based argument from the same thread: "I doubt you will, simply because I don't think true wing chun can be done in a competition." It works, but not just on it's own, It's good for learning to defend with your arms and for getting your speed up along with knowing where to hit just hard enough to knock somebody back. Wing Chun (a lot of it from Chi Sao training) is really good at teaching you to notice when the opponent's center is not covered and from there to travel down that line with a linear attack. Me: "Okay, buddy." and makes his motion completely fluid. I don't believe the opponents were trained in martial arts, and I don't think any more advanced techniques were used by the wing chun guys. I've used MMA on a WC practitioner. I have used it several times in my work. We do mixed". Centerline theory is acctually pretty usefull as well as chi gerk for controlling someones balance. So it's not really anything unique to Wing Chun. It's very good for setting up combos. EBMAS has fighters in lower level mma promotions. A lot of really strange, rapid motions. In situations like this, where the opponent probably hasn't fully committed to fighting full on, there seems to be some merit in going to 100% with a barrage and forward motion. Me: "Non denominational" (this was my attempt at a witty retort to his "my martial art is best martial art" behavior). The guy went a little over the 30% he promised and Alex ended up with a fat lip. I put my hand on his shoulder to stop him from blocking my exit. The side kick I learned in Wing Chun served me well in San Shou. I'm probably not as experienced as you. Rear leg front kick with the foot turned. It would leave a bruise. His barrage was interesting. I only go about 3 times a week with my buddy who's training for UFC or some similar enterprise. Vertical punch - A bit easier to sneak in between the gloves on people who simply use the gloves in front of the face defense rather than head movement. I only have this cut video and I think this guy is a wing chunner, due to the short sleeves and kung fu uniform, although I'm not sure. It was these students that later codified and made their personal brand more concrete. I'm hoping to hear tales* of how effective it was. He was probably not very good at Wing Chun in the first place. Sort of what I feared - although it could just be a terrible person whose also terrible at WC. I would like it if they did better, more consistently. Although I use an upper cut rather than a strait punch for my attack down center when it opens up. These are some of the things that worked well for me in the ring. Cranked a bit and he stopped flailing his hands behind him to strike my face. I've done a few martial arts, and Wing Chun isn't as bad as people make it out to be, but some people get over confident in their abilities. Alex was impressed and after a while he began some light sparring with the guy. He was doing a good job landing a lot of strikes but none of them were actually uncomfortable. Let me preface, I've only been training in a gym for about 1 year. He was thrown out after that incident. Then he kicked me with some sort of front kick. That would solve all the 'whose lineage is the real lineage' questions. You get big points for it and if you bring it up to the head and connect it can be a K.O. Re: realism: most Wing Chun lineages, especially in America, dont spar, and dont cross train. Press J to jump to the feed. I waited for his next barrage (which I noticed meant his hands were nowhere near his face) threw a jab and then a hook which landed on his jaw. edit: If you're not sure what I'm talking about, it's this sort of thing. Why is this not the most upvoted thing on this thread? As a Wing Tzun guy, I think Wing Tzun/Chun's biggest enemy is itself. I use that a lot when exchanging hands while in-fighting (really close, heads practically touching). It's not enough on its own. For example, striking the groin with a swift kick, or jabbing to the eyes. Not taking any more fights.". Me: "Yeah, sometimes. We were at a house party. One of our mutual friends, Alex, talks about how he wished he could find a WC class after seeing Ip Man. But I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the "this martial arts vs that" but I won't lie when I think MMA and other techniques are probably more useful in a real fight as opposed to WC which seems more artistic in nature. However, I've never hurt anyone with it, and I have mostly used it to control people who are not aggressive towards me. I use it to the body and have found it to work well for me. Specifically, that the people doing WC (on youtube, on bullshido, in competitions) are not actually practicing real WC. Good luck finding the "real Wing Chun". He went down quickly, I passed guard and he rolled on his back while (hilariously) flailing his arm behind him to hit me. I just smiled and watched. So I guess this is a sort of Bizzaro-version of what the OP was asking for but I figured you all might enjoy the story. If you're looking to over-power your opponent blow for blow, it's not the style for you. Me: "I train at a gym with my friend. You commonly see this in Wing Chun directed at the opponents leg. Check out True Disciple. Giving credit where it's due: I made a small modification (added a small hop) after watching my San Shou coach use it. I haven't had a street fight since starting martial arts but I've used Wing Chun in full contact fights, under either a San Shou or Boxing rule set. Is there a reason you're interested in WC specifically? go out the window once you introduce a full contact setting where your opponent is allowed to disengage from trapping range and grapple. Simultaneous slip and counter punch against linear punches. Chi Sao training really comes in handy when you're clinched and want to make a clean break without getting hit. The guy was bigger than me and I was best friends with the host of the party.